I’m meeting a large number of lifelong Labour voters who are seriously considering voting Green. I think their (our) despair with Labour is a combination of them not letting go of neoliberalism, and campaigning to the focus groups. Anger and frustration need an outlet who brings passion, like Mamdani… Go Chloe!
This is my thought as well. Neoliberalism does not work. I think Chris Hipkins offers much with his calm and knowledgeable stance. I do wonder if there is an unconscious tribal attitude showing through. I was impressed to read that Te Parti Maori are considering strategic voting, to get this Coalition out. There was misinformation fermented about co-governance, yet I find tikanga very inclusive. It is Western thought that can veer towards exclusion. As an aside, I noticed that Nicola Willis referred to the Opportunity Party Citizens Income as a Universal Benefit.(RNZ this morning) This characterisation completely guts Basic Income. Guy Standing is very clear that a Basic Income is embedded in an understanding of the Commons.
I've read elsewhere that, if the current coalition got back in, Te Pati Maori would risk backlash if they push strategic voting. It was pointed out that ACT would then remove the Maori seats and NZ1 certainly wouldn't object!
That 'Reform NZ' is split across New Zealand First and ACT is probably a good thing for those opposing it. The one I wonder about is Opportunity who, I'm convinced, are more about disrupting the green'ish vote and then siding with National. Find it disturbing how some see them as the centrist option, look at the funding...
Since the Opp party haven't ever been in parliament, I've wondered if that specific funding source is just a reflection of "covering any eventuality" rather than support for their views?
Kia ora Robin, it seems to me that Opportunity's strategy is to avoid being boxed into the left / right paradigm so they can contribute something constructive to either Labour or National. If you look at their policies, they are somewhat to the left of Labour.
Their funding shows perhaps, that not all corporates are blind to the dangers of neoliberalism.
To through a spanner in the works with predictions, I have an old mate, retired farmer, fierce Tory all his life,. telling me that he, and his died in wool Tory mates intend voting Labour for the first time in their lives, stating this election being the most important vote in his life
Golly, I hope NZ’rs will remember what this COG have done and that at this time they are trying to ‘butter-up’ the political offerings, that if re-elected they will co tinge to slash-and-burn our democracy.
If Chris Hipkins wants to win, then imo he needs to do three things: 1) Make a genuine apology to the entire country for his party having imposed Neo Liberalism here, 2) State that the damage done will be repaired as far as possible, as swiftly as possible &, 3) State the Labour party's intention to,. if neccesary, join forces with the Green party, or at the very least, emulate their most important policies. Because we really only have to look at Europe, already struggling with unheard of high temperatures so early in their summer, to understand that we had best make an attempt to fix our mess - if it isn't too late.
I think pigs might fly! He is too busy courting the middle voters. Most mp's wealth is tied up in property, high pay and perks, so both the major parties have too much to lose to turn their backs on neoliberalism. Short of us suddenly finding a pied piper whom all will follow, we probably need to deconstruct neoliberalism ourselves - via bottom up efforts - return to community, bartering and our own support systems. And also, if we can't afford their goods, then we effectively cut off their air supply. Unless they have captured us via subscriptions, and rents. Then a little bit of a rebellion might be called for.
I read that Burnham is just another Zionist like Starmer & people are sick of them especially concerning Gaza when all Starmer has done is sided with the Israelis. Since they joined Brexit the country seems to have gotten worse & so many racists who Farage is scooping up.
Similar problem here I think as far as racism is concerned hence the appeal of Winston & Jones & Seymour.
Thanks again for your clarity, Bryan. I look to you and your writing to help my thinking on these things, and it's interesting that you noted, as have other commenters here, that many are fed up with the nonsense that we have had to put up with and want decent political governance. That's heartening. I thought that it might have just been wishful thinking on my part.
There are lessons for NZ LP to be learned from the demise of Starmer. But main stream media have never reveled the machinations which enable his election as UK LP leader in the first place and the campaign to displace Jeremy Corbyn.
I watched a great documentary about when they got rid of Corbyn & there was a lot of unhappy Labour members the Jewish community had a deliberate coup there.
Gary Stevenson has been warning of this for a while and it's all tied up with greater inequity. The rights next approach is to either start a war (culture war/ race war) or an actual war or join one - war against another enemy - history tells us this
I’m meeting a large number of lifelong Labour voters who are seriously considering voting Green. I think their (our) despair with Labour is a combination of them not letting go of neoliberalism, and campaigning to the focus groups. Anger and frustration need an outlet who brings passion, like Mamdani… Go Chloe!
This is my thought as well. Neoliberalism does not work. I think Chris Hipkins offers much with his calm and knowledgeable stance. I do wonder if there is an unconscious tribal attitude showing through. I was impressed to read that Te Parti Maori are considering strategic voting, to get this Coalition out. There was misinformation fermented about co-governance, yet I find tikanga very inclusive. It is Western thought that can veer towards exclusion. As an aside, I noticed that Nicola Willis referred to the Opportunity Party Citizens Income as a Universal Benefit.(RNZ this morning) This characterisation completely guts Basic Income. Guy Standing is very clear that a Basic Income is embedded in an understanding of the Commons.
I've read elsewhere that, if the current coalition got back in, Te Pati Maori would risk backlash if they push strategic voting. It was pointed out that ACT would then remove the Maori seats and NZ1 certainly wouldn't object!
I understand the sentiment but Labour has to outvote National for the Greens to have real influence so please don't encourage too many to jump ship.
That 'Reform NZ' is split across New Zealand First and ACT is probably a good thing for those opposing it. The one I wonder about is Opportunity who, I'm convinced, are more about disrupting the green'ish vote and then siding with National. Find it disturbing how some see them as the centrist option, look at the funding...
Since the Opp party haven't ever been in parliament, I've wondered if that specific funding source is just a reflection of "covering any eventuality" rather than support for their views?
Kia ora Robin, it seems to me that Opportunity's strategy is to avoid being boxed into the left / right paradigm so they can contribute something constructive to either Labour or National. If you look at their policies, they are somewhat to the left of Labour.
Their funding shows perhaps, that not all corporates are blind to the dangers of neoliberalism.
Thanks for another well written post Bryan.
Alan a party that would just as easily jump left or right doesn't engender confidence or support.
To through a spanner in the works with predictions, I have an old mate, retired farmer, fierce Tory all his life,. telling me that he, and his died in wool Tory mates intend voting Labour for the first time in their lives, stating this election being the most important vote in his life
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How interesting 🤔
Vote GreenNZ! 💚
Golly, I hope NZ’rs will remember what this COG have done and that at this time they are trying to ‘butter-up’ the political offerings, that if re-elected they will co tinge to slash-and-burn our democracy.
If Chris Hipkins wants to win, then imo he needs to do three things: 1) Make a genuine apology to the entire country for his party having imposed Neo Liberalism here, 2) State that the damage done will be repaired as far as possible, as swiftly as possible &, 3) State the Labour party's intention to,. if neccesary, join forces with the Green party, or at the very least, emulate their most important policies. Because we really only have to look at Europe, already struggling with unheard of high temperatures so early in their summer, to understand that we had best make an attempt to fix our mess - if it isn't too late.
I think pigs might fly! He is too busy courting the middle voters. Most mp's wealth is tied up in property, high pay and perks, so both the major parties have too much to lose to turn their backs on neoliberalism. Short of us suddenly finding a pied piper whom all will follow, we probably need to deconstruct neoliberalism ourselves - via bottom up efforts - return to community, bartering and our own support systems. And also, if we can't afford their goods, then we effectively cut off their air supply. Unless they have captured us via subscriptions, and rents. Then a little bit of a rebellion might be called for.
I read that Burnham is just another Zionist like Starmer & people are sick of them especially concerning Gaza when all Starmer has done is sided with the Israelis. Since they joined Brexit the country seems to have gotten worse & so many racists who Farage is scooping up.
Similar problem here I think as far as racism is concerned hence the appeal of Winston & Jones & Seymour.
Thanks again for your clarity, Bryan. I look to you and your writing to help my thinking on these things, and it's interesting that you noted, as have other commenters here, that many are fed up with the nonsense that we have had to put up with and want decent political governance. That's heartening. I thought that it might have just been wishful thinking on my part.
There are lessons for NZ LP to be learned from the demise of Starmer. But main stream media have never reveled the machinations which enable his election as UK LP leader in the first place and the campaign to displace Jeremy Corbyn.
Read The Fraud by Paul Holden and /or watch this penetrating analysis by Richard Sanders of Double Down News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMHl0_yleO0
I watched a great documentary about when they got rid of Corbyn & there was a lot of unhappy Labour members the Jewish community had a deliberate coup there.
Gary Stevenson has been warning of this for a while and it's all tied up with greater inequity. The rights next approach is to either start a war (culture war/ race war) or an actual war or join one - war against another enemy - history tells us this
A sign of the fall of the fall of the corrupt I hope !!!!!
That WILL mean a change of Hovt in NZ 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼